John Piper, Necessity, and the Problem of Dependence

As I mentioned to the Blog’s Author, I think it’s feasible to consider Piper running a defense that looks like this.

1. God’s glory is actually infinite. (1)
2. The addition of any number of finite objects to an actually infinite set does not increase the value of said set.
3. No matter how many finite beings you add to the enjoyment of God’s glory, God’s glory does not increase at all since it is actually infinite.

Since Piper’s claim seems to be that God does everything so that he will enjoy His own Glory. But as we can see, there is no increase in glory by the addition of finite creatures (since it is all about God’s enjoyment and not about the enjoyment of other creatures.) and so God’s will is not determined by this aspect of his character.

(1) This is a qualitative, and not quantitative statement. Quantitative actual infinities are metaphysically as well as physically impossible.

Andy Britton

A few days ago, my wife and I went out to our favorite place with some dear friends of ours. Over dinner and drinks, one friend (who plays in a worship band) mentioned that a speaker at a DNOW he played made the statement “God needs us just like we need him”.  We all a had a good laugh at the thought of an impotent God begging man for his cooperation, discussed it a bit, and went on with our night.  For reasons unknown to me, over the next week I began to pursue this thought a bit further and I believe that I’ve developed some interesting thoughts on this through the lens of John Piper’s theology.

Here’s the premises I’m working with, and the purpose of this blog is to prompt a discussion on whether or not Piper must accept the conclusion of this argument.

1.  God unchangeably ordains…

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